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	<title>Comments on: Did Tony Jones Kill The Vineyard?</title>
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	<description>Welcome. I&#039;m a husband, a father, an ordained minister, and a postmodern pilgrim. You can check out some of the projects I&#039;m involved with below. In this space I mostly write about the intersections of Christianity and culture.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-3205</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 09:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a part on and off of the Vineyard since 89 at anaheim. The movement is becoming more and more like calvery. I miss playing and letting the spirt move. The Vineyard is dying and fast. It was different but now it is just calvery. It breaks my heart that even the worship music is not very intimate anymore. No one enters in to worship and do not seem to be excited to be at church. For me it is over and I have quite looking for another church. All church worship sucks no intimacy only about show. Very sad, My soul aches over the loss of what was because what is is no good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a part on and off of the Vineyard since 89 at anaheim. The movement is becoming more and more like calvery. I miss playing and letting the spirt move. The Vineyard is dying and fast. It was different but now it is just calvery. It breaks my heart that even the worship music is not very intimate anymore. No one enters in to worship and do not seem to be excited to be at church. For me it is over and I have quite looking for another church. All church worship sucks no intimacy only about show. Very sad, My soul aches over the loss of what was because what is is no good.</p>
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		<title>By: From Wilderness to Vineyard</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator>From Wilderness to Vineyard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Articles of Interest 02-06-10 &#124; Onward, Forward, Toward...</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Articles of Interest 02-06-10 &#124; Onward, Forward, Toward...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Did Tony Jones Kill The Vineyard? &#8211; The blog author examines both the Tony Jones / Andrew Jones spat as well as the apparent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Coker</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-759</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Gary. There are fundamental questions still at stake here and those are key. I think what&#039;s most interesting about Tony Jones&#039; post is the way he&#039;s measuring the health of Emergent (which, I should add, is quite distinct from the Emerging Church).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Gary. There are fundamental questions still at stake here and those are key. I think what&#8217;s most interesting about Tony Jones&#8217; post is the way he&#8217;s measuring the health of Emergent (which, I should add, is quite distinct from the Emerging Church).</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Manders</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-758</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Manders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it depends on what you are measuring. How do we measure growth or decline?  This leads us back to what we mean by the nature of church  and discipleship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it depends on what you are measuring. How do we measure growth or decline?  This leads us back to what we mean by the nature of church  and discipleship.</p>
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		<title>By: Is there any &#8216;move&#8217; left in the vineyard church movement? at Deep Church</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>Is there any &#8216;move&#8217; left in the vineyard church movement? at Deep Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;m not going to post/respond to what seemed like an indolent villification designed to attract comments (other than of course, that being a response in itself). Jason Coker provided one of the more thoughtful responses I&#8217;ve seen, and I would point you to his post here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;m not going to post/respond to what seemed like an indolent villification designed to attract comments (other than of course, that being a response in itself). Jason Coker provided one of the more thoughtful responses I&#8217;ve seen, and I would point you to his post here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Coker</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-552</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We were privileged to spend some time at the La Jolla Vineyard last year (it was a bit of a commute from Tijuana Mexico, but worth it). It was one of the most refreshing seasons I’ve experienced in recent Vineyard history.&quot;

Me too Robby. Although the commute from Oceanside is not nearly as long : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We were privileged to spend some time at the La Jolla Vineyard last year (it was a bit of a commute from Tijuana Mexico, but worth it). It was one of the most refreshing seasons I’ve experienced in recent Vineyard history.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too Robby. Although the commute from Oceanside is not nearly as long : )</p>
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		<title>By: robbymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We were privileged to spend some time at the La Jolla Vineyard last year (it was a bit of a commute from Tijuana Mexico, but worth it). It was one of the most refreshing seasons I&#039;ve experienced in recent Vineyard history. I was a Vineyard pastor (VIctoria BC, Los Angeles CA), and long-time part of the movement (now full-time in YWAM), and I have to say that the Vineyard is alive and well in some places. :)

And while I don&#039;t attend a Vineyard just now, whenever I look at Vineyard theology and values, I can&#039;t think of a better fit for me. I wouldn&#039;t suggest that anyone should dismissively presume to write an obituary for the Vineyard. &#039;Nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were privileged to spend some time at the La Jolla Vineyard last year (it was a bit of a commute from Tijuana Mexico, but worth it). It was one of the most refreshing seasons I&#8217;ve experienced in recent Vineyard history. I was a Vineyard pastor (VIctoria BC, Los Angeles CA), and long-time part of the movement (now full-time in YWAM), and I have to say that the Vineyard is alive and well in some places. <img src='http://pastoralia.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And while I don&#8217;t attend a Vineyard just now, whenever I look at Vineyard theology and values, I can&#8217;t think of a better fit for me. I wouldn&#8217;t suggest that anyone should dismissively presume to write an obituary for the Vineyard. &#8216;Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: 5 Biggest Church Planting Mistakes &#171; Christianity</title>
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		<dc:creator>5 Biggest Church Planting Mistakes &#171; Christianity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for their National Leaders Conference next week. YEAH! Vineyard is still kicking and growing, despite what some people have said. church planting, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pastoralia &#187; Contours of Post-Christendom Vineyard Ministry</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/did-tony-jones-kill-the-vineyard/comment-page-1#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastoralia &#187; Contours of Post-Christendom Vineyard Ministry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1: Did Tony Jones Kill the Vineyard? Part 2: Vineyard Churches at the [...]</description>
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