Comments on: Todd Hunter and the Rebranding of Christianity http://pastoralia.org/church/todd-hunter-and-the-rebranding-of-christianity Welcome. I'm a husband, a father, an ordained minister, and a postmodern pilgrim. You can check out some of the projects I'm involved with below. In this space I mostly write about the intersections of Christianity and culture. Wed, 16 May 2012 14:35:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: uberVU - social comments http://pastoralia.org/church/todd-hunter-and-the-rebranding-of-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-135 uberVU - social comments Sat, 12 Dec 2009 11:50:03 +0000 http://pastoralia.org/?p=553#comment-135 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jason_Coker: Todd Hunter and the Rebranding of Christianity: http://tinyurl.com/nlnp8n... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: Jason Coker http://pastoralia.org/church/todd-hunter-and-the-rebranding-of-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-134 Jason Coker Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:00:13 +0000 http://pastoralia.org/?p=553#comment-134 I don't. I think my former pastor probably has it on a cassette series... I don’t. I think my former pastor probably has it on a cassette series…

]]> By: steven hamilton http://pastoralia.org/church/todd-hunter-and-the-rebranding-of-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-133 steven hamilton Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:52:57 +0000 http://pastoralia.org/?p=553#comment-133 hey, do you have an mp3 copy of wimber's john 5 teaching? hey, do you have an mp3 copy of wimber’s john 5 teaching?

]]> By: Jason Coker http://pastoralia.org/church/todd-hunter-and-the-rebranding-of-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-132 Jason Coker Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:45:15 +0000 http://pastoralia.org/?p=553#comment-132 Steve - It's funny, but I didn't fully understand the implications of Todd's vision until probably 5 years ago. I think in my naivete back then, when Todd stepped down I was perplexed, but I just assumed the Vineyard would take his vision and move forward with it. I just didn't understand the dynamics of the movement at that time - plus, I couldn't quite conceive of the idea that everyone wasn't as excited about it as I was : ) I love what you've said about being incarnational and missional. My concern nowadays is that being "missional" has just come to mean "we do lots of outreach." But I still think the Vineyard has a unique heritage that should position us to be missional in a truly powerful way. Wimber's classic teaching from John 5 about "going where the father goes and doing what the father does" is - IMHO - the essence of what it truly means to be missional. If we could get a handle on that again as a movement - without falling into the hyper-pentecostal trap - we would find ourselves in very good position to participate with the advancement of the Kingdom, and all the cultural exegesis would take care of itself. Steve – It’s funny, but I didn’t fully understand the implications of Todd’s vision until probably 5 years ago. I think in my naivete back then, when Todd stepped down I was perplexed, but I just assumed the Vineyard would take his vision and move forward with it. I just didn’t understand the dynamics of the movement at that time – plus, I couldn’t quite conceive of the idea that everyone wasn’t as excited about it as I was : )

I love what you’ve said about being incarnational and missional. My concern nowadays is that being “missional” has just come to mean “we do lots of outreach.” But I still think the Vineyard has a unique heritage that should position us to be missional in a truly powerful way. Wimber’s classic teaching from John 5 about “going where the father goes and doing what the father does” is – IMHO – the essence of what it truly means to be missional. If we could get a handle on that again as a movement – without falling into the hyper-pentecostal trap – we would find ourselves in very good position to participate with the advancement of the Kingdom, and all the cultural exegesis would take care of itself.

]]> By: steven hamilton http://pastoralia.org/church/todd-hunter-and-the-rebranding-of-christianity/comment-page-1#comment-131 steven hamilton Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:33:01 +0000 http://pastoralia.org/?p=553#comment-131 it's excruciating to me that a larger part of the Vineyard didn't find this envisioning toward missional community compelling. i often here the question around the vineyard: "where is the demonstration of God's power? is it gone?" i am so there with you in terms of the market-based christianity, but i just think we need to be more than just relevant. i know that some relevance can be distinctive and good; but when we are incarnational (being embodied: 'coming from within') and missional (relating to or connecting with the mission of Christ in this now-and-not-yet age), we are both relevant and peculiar at the same time...and that makes it significant. we need to be significant...because relevance easily becomes all-about-me, and then back to the consumer-based christianity, ugh. it’s excruciating to me that a larger part of the Vineyard didn’t find this envisioning toward missional community compelling. i often here the question around the vineyard: “where is the demonstration of God’s power? is it gone?”

i am so there with you in terms of the market-based christianity, but i just think we need to be more than just relevant. i know that some relevance can be distinctive and good; but when we are incarnational (being embodied: ‘coming from within’) and missional (relating to or connecting with the mission of Christ in this now-and-not-yet age), we are both relevant and peculiar at the same time…and that makes it significant. we need to be significant…because relevance easily becomes all-about-me, and then back to the consumer-based christianity, ugh.

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