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	<description>Welcome. I&#039;m a husband, a father, an ordained minister, and a postmodern pilgrim. You can check out some of the projects I&#039;m involved with below. In this space I mostly write about the intersections of Christianity and culture.</description>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 15:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that preaching Christ to pagan friends in a pretentious manner is wrong.  The motive should be love.  But even when done otherwise, the Word is still going forth effectively and we should rejoice (Phil 1:15-18).  

I work with many pagan friends and whether they realize it or not, they see my sin on a daily basis.  They also see God&#039;s spirit working out repentance within me.  Sometimes I get the opportunity to share the gospel with them over a beer or coffee.  They ask me about the rapture, sexual immorality, or whether I believe that Jesus was born of a virgin.  After making fun of the &quot;secret rapture&quot;, I take the time to carefully explain the latter two.  I explain how God&#039;s Word tells me to treat my wife and how I fail to do so, but that God is changing me.  Then I explain to them how I believe that a historic person named Mary was impregnated by God&#039;s Spirit, later to give birth to Jesus the Savior whom I worship.  Then I listen intently to their metaphysical skepticisms.  I reply by stating those are good questions, but I believe in that God (in Scripture) was not pleased to give me the metaphysical details.  I attempt to tell them about the substitutionary atonement of our Savior; how God &#039;s justice was poured out on His Son on behalf of the sin of those who would believe.  Sometimes they scoff, or think it strange that I believe these things.  Perhaps what is most striking is one guy&#039;s observation in particular, that is, how I am honest about what the Bible says and am willing to be mocked by their unbelief.  However, I admit that most of the time we talk about whether Pink Floyd&#039;s was better off without Syd Barrett.   

&quot;That’s not the kind of knowledge [Bible, theology] people want or need.&quot;  

I disagree with this statement because the Word (with the illumination of God&#039;s Spirit) is the means by which God is pleased to save His people.  I am convinced that the gospel should be freely offered to all.  Pagans need God&#039;s word.  True, doctrine/theology should never be divorced from biblical piety.  And we should be wise and discerning when speaking the truth in love.  But our theology should shape our missiology.  Not visa versa.  -J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that preaching Christ to pagan friends in a pretentious manner is wrong.  The motive should be love.  But even when done otherwise, the Word is still going forth effectively and we should rejoice (Phil 1:15-18).  </p>
<p>I work with many pagan friends and whether they realize it or not, they see my sin on a daily basis.  They also see God&#8217;s spirit working out repentance within me.  Sometimes I get the opportunity to share the gospel with them over a beer or coffee.  They ask me about the rapture, sexual immorality, or whether I believe that Jesus was born of a virgin.  After making fun of the &#8220;secret rapture&#8221;, I take the time to carefully explain the latter two.  I explain how God&#8217;s Word tells me to treat my wife and how I fail to do so, but that God is changing me.  Then I explain to them how I believe that a historic person named Mary was impregnated by God&#8217;s Spirit, later to give birth to Jesus the Savior whom I worship.  Then I listen intently to their metaphysical skepticisms.  I reply by stating those are good questions, but I believe in that God (in Scripture) was not pleased to give me the metaphysical details.  I attempt to tell them about the substitutionary atonement of our Savior; how God &#8216;s justice was poured out on His Son on behalf of the sin of those who would believe.  Sometimes they scoff, or think it strange that I believe these things.  Perhaps what is most striking is one guy&#8217;s observation in particular, that is, how I am honest about what the Bible says and am willing to be mocked by their unbelief.  However, I admit that most of the time we talk about whether Pink Floyd&#8217;s was better off without Syd Barrett.   </p>
<p>&#8220;That’s not the kind of knowledge [Bible, theology] people want or need.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I disagree with this statement because the Word (with the illumination of God&#8217;s Spirit) is the means by which God is pleased to save His people.  I am convinced that the gospel should be freely offered to all.  Pagans need God&#8217;s word.  True, doctrine/theology should never be divorced from biblical piety.  And we should be wise and discerning when speaking the truth in love.  But our theology should shape our missiology.  Not visa versa.  -J</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel, Nice to see your post here! It&#039;s been a long time since we last saw you! Drop by and say Hi next time you are in town.  Drew and I would love to catch up on your life with you:)

My granddaughter Savannah, Jason&#039;s oldest is applying at your school for the fall. If she decides to go there I hope you can show her around:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel, Nice to see your post here! It&#8217;s been a long time since we last saw you! Drop by and say Hi next time you are in town.  Drew and I would love to catch up on your life with you:)</p>
<p>My granddaughter Savannah, Jason&#8217;s oldest is applying at your school for the fall. If she decides to go there I hope you can show her around:)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Coker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely put Daniel. Very nicely put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put Daniel. Very nicely put.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Crawford</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/why-the-bible-is-insufficient-for-mission/comment-page-1#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not yet 21, but my peers in college want a God who works more than a God that makes sense.  I have been so tired out at times in the past trying to sort through different doctrines and theology, but I&#039;ve realized it isn&#039;t effectual to make me like Christ.  Yes, I want to believe correctly concerning God, but I find it more important that my doctrine actually functions in my life.  So what if I know that God is love if that knowledge doesn&#039;t make me a lover?!  I expect that my views on God aren&#039;t perfect, but while Christiandom bickers and argues about who has a better equation, I&#039;d rather be like Christ.  I have to keep it simple.  As for me, I say I don&#039;t know what a verse means until it manifests in my life.  &quot;The word became flesh&quot; should continue to this day.  I have been reading and praying Isaiah 58 for two months now, because fear still holds a portion of my life in reserve.

I want to do when I hear, and I trust my Father sees in secret.

In the words of Tozer, I love it when he confesses: &quot;[I] will admit the force of the argument, and then turn away with tears to hunt some lonely place and pray, &#039;O God, show me your glory.&#039;&quot; -The Pursuit of God</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not yet 21, but my peers in college want a God who works more than a God that makes sense.  I have been so tired out at times in the past trying to sort through different doctrines and theology, but I&#8217;ve realized it isn&#8217;t effectual to make me like Christ.  Yes, I want to believe correctly concerning God, but I find it more important that my doctrine actually functions in my life.  So what if I know that God is love if that knowledge doesn&#8217;t make me a lover?!  I expect that my views on God aren&#8217;t perfect, but while Christiandom bickers and argues about who has a better equation, I&#8217;d rather be like Christ.  I have to keep it simple.  As for me, I say I don&#8217;t know what a verse means until it manifests in my life.  &#8220;The word became flesh&#8221; should continue to this day.  I have been reading and praying Isaiah 58 for two months now, because fear still holds a portion of my life in reserve.</p>
<p>I want to do when I hear, and I trust my Father sees in secret.</p>
<p>In the words of Tozer, I love it when he confesses: &#8220;[I] will admit the force of the argument, and then turn away with tears to hunt some lonely place and pray, &#8216;O God, show me your glory.&#8217;&#8221; -The Pursuit of God</p>
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		<title>By: Pastoralia &#187; Top 10 Least Popular Posts of 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastoralia &#187; Top 10 Least Popular Posts of 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Pastoralia &#8211; Tales from the future of Christendom &#187; Top 10 February Posts</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/why-the-bible-is-insufficient-for-mission/comment-page-1#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastoralia &#8211; Tales from the future of Christendom &#187; Top 10 February Posts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Linkworthy &#8211; 2/14/10 &#124; MattCleaver.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkworthy &#8211; 2/14/10 &#124; MattCleaver.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 03:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Place of the Bible in a Post-Christian World &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://pastoralia.org/church/why-the-bible-is-insufficient-for-mission/comment-page-1#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator>The Place of the Bible in a Post-Christian World &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The author makes good sense, for those with an ear to hear. No one is disparaging the bible or holy Scriptures, but he is making a point that we have to understand our audience. Hat tip to Europe bound Ken and from Pastoralia: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The author makes good sense, for those with an ear to hear. No one is disparaging the bible or holy Scriptures, but he is making a point that we have to understand our audience. Hat tip to Europe bound Ken and from Pastoralia: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Coker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Coker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Rex -&lt;/strong&gt; Pointed words. There&#039;s plenty to respond to, but I suppose it goes without saying that you&#039;re making an awful lot of assumptions about me, and many others as well. There are plenty of Christian streams that make public statements against what you call &quot;dominionist&quot; Christians, and there are those who live radically different kinds of lives. It wouldn&#039;t take much poking around on your part to find those groups if you really cared to. 

As for me, well, I do on occasion make public statements about the contradictory insanity of followers of Jesus trying to conquer culture (if you were a regular here you would know that already). However, there are two things that keep me from carrying that banner loudly: 1) I don&#039;t care much one way or the other about popular politics. I just don&#039;t think it matters much, and closely related, 2) I&#039;m more personally concerned with actually trying to live out an alternative form of Christianity, so naturally that tends to be the focus of this blog.  

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Rex -</strong> Pointed words. There&#8217;s plenty to respond to, but I suppose it goes without saying that you&#8217;re making an awful lot of assumptions about me, and many others as well. There are plenty of Christian streams that make public statements against what you call &#8220;dominionist&#8221; Christians, and there are those who live radically different kinds of lives. It wouldn&#8217;t take much poking around on your part to find those groups if you really cared to. </p>
<p>As for me, well, I do on occasion make public statements about the contradictory insanity of followers of Jesus trying to conquer culture (if you were a regular here you would know that already). However, there are two things that keep me from carrying that banner loudly: 1) I don&#8217;t care much one way or the other about popular politics. I just don&#8217;t think it matters much, and closely related, 2) I&#8217;m more personally concerned with actually trying to live out an alternative form of Christianity, so naturally that tends to be the focus of this blog.  </p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie waters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Inquiring minds want to know.&quot;

Inquiring minds or angry minds?  If you actually are curious only to be with more knowledge on the matter (and not for purposes to use it as more arsenal in what comes off as complete bitterness and vindictiveness) then I can personally tell you from personal experience that I find denominations as relevant as a third nostril.  I find the arrogant self righteous thinking (the &quot;we&#039;re the only denomination that has the correct view&quot;) from these denominations appauling(sp).  However, that&#039;s not an issue that&#039;s only reserved for denominations but for ALL human beings whether you attend a church or not.  Imperfection and sin infects us all.  

My personal bitterness geared toward denominations is a problem that I hopefully won&#039;t take to the grave but that God will indeed deliver me from.  However, it&#039;s not only bitterness towards denominations that gives me a bad taste in my mouth.  When you&#039;re following religion - any religion will do.  Pick a card - any card because it doesn&#039;t matter.  At the end of the day, you still feel empty and cold.  Having a relationship with Christ is very different from religion and unfortunately ALL churches (denominational or no) have a problem with allowing religion to creep in a poison the souls of the family of God.  The reason being is that although one becomes a Christian does not mean your humanity is no more and it&#039;s our humanity that will settle for second best (religion) every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Inquiring minds want to know.&#8221;</p>
<p>Inquiring minds or angry minds?  If you actually are curious only to be with more knowledge on the matter (and not for purposes to use it as more arsenal in what comes off as complete bitterness and vindictiveness) then I can personally tell you from personal experience that I find denominations as relevant as a third nostril.  I find the arrogant self righteous thinking (the &#8220;we&#8217;re the only denomination that has the correct view&#8221;) from these denominations appauling(sp).  However, that&#8217;s not an issue that&#8217;s only reserved for denominations but for ALL human beings whether you attend a church or not.  Imperfection and sin infects us all.  </p>
<p>My personal bitterness geared toward denominations is a problem that I hopefully won&#8217;t take to the grave but that God will indeed deliver me from.  However, it&#8217;s not only bitterness towards denominations that gives me a bad taste in my mouth.  When you&#8217;re following religion &#8211; any religion will do.  Pick a card &#8211; any card because it doesn&#8217;t matter.  At the end of the day, you still feel empty and cold.  Having a relationship with Christ is very different from religion and unfortunately ALL churches (denominational or no) have a problem with allowing religion to creep in a poison the souls of the family of God.  The reason being is that although one becomes a Christian does not mean your humanity is no more and it&#8217;s our humanity that will settle for second best (religion) every time.</p>
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