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So when does the fruitfulness begin?

Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it remains just one seed. But if it dies it becomes much more.

~ John 12:24

Seasons change fast. It seems like just yesterday I wrote that my new job was finally enabling us to move confidently into a missional church plant with Ikon Community.

Today, I’m here to report that we have shut Ikon down.

More details later. The short version is this: we were simply unable to either internally cultivate or externally recruit a viable leadership core. In recent months we’d gained momentum with two experienced leaders showing interest, but a few weeks ago that changed suddenly.

That was a tough blow.

Losing these people caused us to re-evaluate everything. Over the past 18 months, internal leadership candidates had either balked or moved away and we’d exhausted our local network for recruiting potential external leaders. Ultimately Jenell and I decided we were unwilling to carry the burden of leadership alone.

Without the gifts and camaraderie of a well rounded leadership team we simply can’t grow in a healthy way to the level of a mid-sized group (40-50 people) with the critical mass necessary to share a creative liturgy and have an impacting local mission. In my mind these are the two things we needed in order to be more than just another small group, and these were the two things we were never able to either initiate (a creative liturgy) or sustain (an impacting mission).

We could have continued Ikon as a rogue small group or house church in the area, but frankly that has never interested us. Besides, for better or worse, Jenell and I have never had much patience for propping up corpses. It was time to bury this one. Hence, we will no longer be gathering as a group and we’ve shut down the church planting process with The Vineyard Community of Churches.

What more can I say?

The personal cost to undertake this effort – starting over two and half years ago and begun 2200 miles away – has been nothing short of enormous. Peering into the coffin is painful and confusing. After 17 years in professional ministry and a graduate degree from seminary, I don’t know what this change means for my ministry vocation. I don’t know what this means for our family’s worship life. Honestly, I don’t know what it means for my faith.

It feels like a death or a divorce. In the end I suppose it’s a bit of both.

I was like an angry drunk for about a week while processing this decision. Some of you may have noticed (I should stay away from Twitter when I get that way). It didn’t help that my wife was out of town at the same time. Sorry for that.

I’m good now. Surprisingly good actually.

Some final notes: 1) In a day or two I’m going to write a post-mortem for our missional church plant. With all the missional bravado out there I figure someone should write about failure. Who knows? Someone might learn from it. Hell, maybe even me. 2) As coincidence would have it Mike Breen sent me his book Launching Missional Communities. I was reading it the very same week I was wrestling with the decision to close Ikon. I told Mike I would review it here, and I aim to fulfill that promise. Perhaps a perspective of the book from this side of the church planting experience might be helpful.

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The Anthropological Study of the Vineyard Movement and its Implications

Last month I hosted a series of profiles and discussions on papers presented at the first annual Society of Vineyard Scholars conference. There was plenty of great dialogue and around some excellent papers.

However, I was really surprised there weren’t any comments or questions on Jon Bialecki and Jamie Wilson’s paper concerning Jon’s anthropological study of the Vineyard movement and Jamie’s response.

The study of Christianity in the West has been a recent development in the field of Anthropology (only about 10 years), and during that time the study of the Vineyard and other charismatic streams has been relatively hot, for a variety of reasons. In fact, Jon is not the only anthropologist presently studying the Vineyard, and as Jamie points out in his theological rejoinder, there are valuable insights about our present and our future to be gained by engaging with these social science analyses of our little tribe.

So, consider this a gentle nudge to all you Vineyard pastors and leaders out there to go back and read their excellent paper, profile, and interview and pitch in your thoughts and questions.

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Rebuilding Tomorrowland: My Guest Post at Deep Church

I have a guest-post today over at Jason Clark’s blog Deep Church for his current series on re-imagining Vineyard values. This week’s value is the “now and not yet” of the The Kingdom of God. In my post I propose a re-embrace of eschatology as a corrective to the loss of apocalyptic intensity that I think characterizes the current Christian movements of social justice as the new “now” of the Kingdom. You can click here to to read my post.

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After SVS 2010: Elisa Berry: Beauty and the Practice of the Kingdom of God

After SVS 2010 is an extended dialogue with presenters from the first annual Society of Vineyard Scholars conference, held Feb 11-13, 2010. Monday through Friday until March 26th we’ll profile an SVS presenter and dialogue with them around their paper. Click here for a brief intro and link directory of the series. Full text of papers are available to SVS members.
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Elisa Berry: “Beauty and the Practice of the Kingdom of God”

Abstract
The Protestant tradition has as its heritage an iconoclasm that rejects the idolatry of religious images and symbols in favor of seeking God in God’s Word and in direct experiences of God. This reaction to imagery, instigated by real problem facing the church of the 16th century, fails to address the issues facing the church today. As we recontextualize the message of Christ for this time and place, our churches are much more likely to face the pitfalls of the unreflective adoption of the values of consumerism, or, conversely, the use of tradition for tradition’s sake. In this paper I explore how the theological reflections of Saint Bonaventure, John Calvin, and Jonathan Edwards can help us avoid these pitfalls without ignoring God’s Trinitarian communication of Godself through beauty, creation and the senses. My discussion of the thought of these theologians is framed by Jean-Luc Marion’s distinction between the idol and the icon. Marion describes the idol as a mirror that can only reflect back the scope and power of the gaze that looks upon it. While an idol fails to point the gaze beyond itself, an icon is a mirror consumed by divine glory, through which the gaze transpierces the visible to behold the invisible. This metaphor of the mirror is also used by John Calvin an St Bonaventure to describe the God’s self-revelation through the beauty of creation. Creation is a mirror of God’s generative wisdom. The world is made through Christ, the Wisdom of God emanating from the Father. For Jonathan Edwards creation happens as the result of an overflowing of Trinitarian love that God desires to communicate to creatures. God draws us as creatures to Godself through ravishing beauty, not allowing us to rest in the senses, but ultimately drawing us to the crucified and incarnate Christ. As we wait for the ultimate fulfillment of God’s kingdom, we encounter God’s love in the senses through the body of Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit. For all of these theologians, God promises to be most fully present to our senses in the celebration of the Lord’s Supper through which as a community we encounter the fullness of God’s presence.

Interview With Elisa

Q: How did you become interested in your topic?

A: As both an artist and a Christian, the question of the role of beauty and the senses in our relating to God has  been present in my mind for quite awhile. It was one of the questions that led me to divinity school, where I explored the intersection of theology and art and encountered the theologians that appear in my paper. It was during divinity school that I first became involved in a Vineyard church plant and was designated the “aesthete” in our planning meetings.

Q: How do you think your paper is relevant to the Vineyard movement at large?

A: In my anecdotal experience in the Vineyard, there is an apathy toward visual beauty and the role it plays in our relating to God.  I think that we live in a society that is hungry for lasting beauty, and also attuned to respond to beauty. We are constantly visually stimulated, and the church must search for responses and alternatives to the inundation of visual stimuli. I also think that as Christians we will remain impoverished if we fail to be formed by the resources of the historical theological tradition. Theologically, beauty is important because through beauty and creation God is present to us, drawing us, and communicating to us.

Q: What do you think might be the practical implications of what you’re exploring?

A: The Vineyard churches in which I have participated transform preexisting structures into their worship spaces and during the rest of the week powerfully encounter God in the intimate settings of people’s homes. I think that that is a beautiful picture of the way in which God’s kingdom breaks into the most unlikely places and redeems all the parts of our world. Visual and sensorial beauty are important ways that God draws us to Godself, and so as followers of Christ we might attend to God’s communication to us through beauty and the senses in our worship, in our spaces, and in one another, just as we value creativity and skill in music and preaching (as well as hospitality,  compassion, prayer etc). I also hope that in the Vineyard the celebration of communion, in a way that acknowledges what Christ has done for us, will be central to our communities as we gather to worship and encounter God.

Elisa will be available for further questions and dialogue in the comments

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Elisa Berry (www.elisakariberry.com) lives in St Paul, MN and is in the Master of Fine Arts program at the University of Minnesota with a concentration in sculpture. Her art most often focuses on found objects, collage, light, spaces, and experiences of nature. She also obtained a Masters of Religion and Art from Yale Divinity School in an attempt to grasp the relationship between theology and aesthetics. She attends Mercy Vineyard Church in Minneapolis and prior to this was part of the Elm City Vineyard Church in New Haven, CT.

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After SVS 2010: Jason Coker, The Begging Bowl, Toward a Kingdom Economy of Gifts, Power, and Justice

After SVS 2010 is an extended dialogue with presenters from the first annual Society of Vineyard Scholars conference, held Feb 11-13, 2010. Monday through Friday until March 26th we’ll profile an SVS presenter and dialogue with them around their paper. Click here for a brief intro and link directory of the series. Full text of papers are available to SVS members.
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Jason Coker: “The Begging Bowl: Toward a Kingdom Economy of Gifts, Power, and Justice

Abstract
Western Christianity has leaned heavily on the coercive economics of Modern marketplaces in fiscal stewardship and distribution of power, but scripture prefers a gift economy. Paul interprets the manna narrative of Exodus 16 as a gift-economy for producing needs-based equality and establishes it as our normative economic paradigm (2 Cor 8). This gift-economy is demonstrated in Acts, eradicating poverty in the Church (Acts 2 and 4). Paul applies this economics of equality to the distribution of power through “gifts” of the Holy Spirit as well  (Rom 12 and 1 Cor 12). Hence, whether the resources are food, property, or power, the gift-economy of Exodus 16 is applied as the defining economic narrative of the Bible, challenging the Modern doctrine of the autonomous self and leading Christians to embrace the “poverty of the gift” whereby each person risks becoming poor through gift-giving so the group might become wealthy. This is the economy of faith, what Thomas Merton called, “the begging bowl.”

Similar practices are observed in ancient gift cultures through the ethnographic work of Marcel Mauss who showed that alms were a subversive redistribution of resources from those who hoard to those who lack, turning mercy into an expression of God’s just vengeance. Seen through this lens of re-distribution and mercy-vengeance, Christ’s incarnation and crucifixion are an act of subversive gift-power whereby he became poor so that we might become rich (2 Cor 8:7), conquering all through the gift of mercy-vengeance. Moreover, being “in Christ” re-locates the boundaries of the self beyond the the individualized body and into the sphere of Kingdom relationships grounded in Christ (Gal 2:19-20). This new Kingdom self can reciprocate gift-power through the transcendence of Christ and Kingdom  without the usual corruption of self-serving reciprocity (Matt 6:4,6,18).

This kind of Kingdom gift-economy requires three paradigm shifts:

  • From individualized wealth-building to Kingdom gift-giving: The gift must always  move to the area of greatest need. This should challenge Modern ecclesial power-structures.
  • From scarcity to limited abundance: Ex 16 teaches neither the total scarcity of Modern economics nor the radical abundance of naive economics, but the daily limited abundance that requires communal cooperation.
  • From altruism to transcendent reciprocity: The Modern charity characterized by altruism is unilateral and often retains socio-economic boundaries, but the group reciprocity depicted in Ex 16 and 2 Cor 8 strives for equality.

Interview With Jason

Q: How did you become interested in your topic?

A: I’ve always been intrigued by the economic practices depicted in Acts 2 and 4. In my early twenties, when I started taking the Bible seriously, I was shocked to discover communal practices in scripture, and, in my naiveté, equally distressed that we weren’t emulating those practices in our church. Whenever I pointed it out to pastors and elders I was given the standard “those were different times” speech, which never satisfied me. In the spring of 2007 I was the outreach and evangelism pastor at the Grove City Vineyard in Columbus, Ohio and we were planning a 40-day outreach campaign. The senior pastor challenged me to come up with something different, so I pitched the idea of creating an online expression of Acts 2, where people would freely give to each other out of their extra stuff. He loved the idea and Twoshirts.org was born. That experienced re-birthed this interest in me, and gave me an excuse to explore it deeper. But it wasn’t until I started reading the ethnographic data from archaic societies that I began to see scripture very differently. Sometime during that 40-day campaign someone dropped a copy of Mauss’ book “The Gift” in my office inbox. To this day, I have no idea who gave me that book, but I’m grateful. Reading it launched me into the rather deep world of gift-thinking, from Mauss to Levi-Strauss in sociology and anthropology, to Hyde in the realm of art and literature, to Derrida, Marion, and Caputo in philosophy and theology. It’s a rather deep, interdisciplinary well and I’m just scratching the surface. There are so many similarities to ancient Jewish economic practices that I became convinced that we tend to read these passages through the lens of Adam Smith and Modern economics, when so much of Jewish faith and practice reflects the reciprocal economic thinking of archaic agricultural gift-giving societies.

Q: How do you think your paper is relevant to the Vineyard movement at large?

A: The Vineyard has always been conspicuously oriented toward expressions of mercy, and is currently coming through a period of significant wrestling with issues of equality in leadership practices, particularly concerning gender and race. Given those factors, I think the Vineyard is a perfect place for rethinking the theology behind our economic practices, whether that manifests in caring for the poor, living sustainably, or striving for equality in positions of power. I think the Church at large needs a theology of equality that is inter-testamental and holistic, which empowers an eschatologically-rooted embodiment of that equality now. The prevailing Christian approach to mercy and charity – while it does a great deal of good – is ultimately a dead-end because it doesn’t represent a sustainable equality, it only patches the holes in one direction, from rich to poor, or from majority to minority. What we see in Acts 2, Acts 4, and 2 Cor 8 is something that theoretically should be sustainable given a society of mutual (transcendent) reciprocity, and I think the Vineyard, because of it’s core value for mercy and commitment to Kingdom theology, is potentially a good incubator for experimenting with what a modern day “society of equality” could look like.

Q: What do you think might be the practical implications of what you’re exploring?

A: It could be as simple as cultivating a community garden, starting a ride-sharing group, or having a church that shares common possessions like tools and equipment. Or it could be as complicated as a networked system of micro-lending and church-to-church budget-sharing networks where prospering churches make up for the struggling churches (which would be an exact duplication of 2 Cor 8). I think there’s tremendous room for experimentation, and I think virtually every church already does something along this kind of continuum, but, in my opinion, seeing these practices in terms of a gift-economy whose goal is needs-based equality versus mere “charity” changes the potential depth and scope of these practices dramatically, especially by deeply challenging our notions of individual autonomy and private wealth in a debt-based, consumer society. Personally, I can’t think of a more timely topic in America. What if, during the greatest economic crisis since the great depression, people could say of our churches that “there were no needy persons among them” (Acts 4:34) because our counter-cultural economic practices had simply eradicated poverty in our midst?

Jason will be available for further questions and dialogue in the comments

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Jason Coker (www.pastoralia.org) is an M.A. student at Fuller Seminary where he studies intercultural leadership. He and his wife Jenell have been leaders in the Vineyard Community of Churches since 1996, spending thirteen years on staff with churches in Park City, Utah and Columbus, Ohio before returning to California in 2008 to finish his degree and plant a church in Oceanside. Jason and Jenell have four children, Chris, Savannah, Judah, and Alannah.

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New Series: Dialoging With The Society of Vineyard Scholars

Scroll down for a link directory of all profiles in the series.

Some of you know that last month I was privileged to present a paper at the first annual Society of Vineyard Scholars conference in Houston, Texas. It was a terribly rewarding experience for me, and I’m grateful for the opportunity. There were a total of 18 papers presented in a variety of panel categories including Bible, Culture, Theology, Mission, Religion and Science, and The Vineyard. The Plenary speaker (and the respondent for my panel) was Ron Sider, which was an amazing opportunity to have an outside voice speak into the Vineyard movement.

As one of the presenters, Jason Clark, recently pointed out on his blog, Vineyard USA National Director Bert Waggoner set the tone of the conference well with his observation of “4 Things The SVS Is Not:”

  • Smart: We are not the smartest people in vineyard showing each other how smart we are.
  • Critical: This is not a venue to show the vineyard it’s weaknesses, and to give the leaders a list of things that we think it needs to change.
  • Position: The papers and discussions are not necessarily the position of vineyard churches. The work here is not an official expression, unless later approved by the movements leaders. It’s a creative space and time, for an honest exchange of ideas about the vineyard movement and theology.
  • Elitism: This is not a place to develop an elite smug intellectualism. We are a group of Christians wanting to be submitted to Christ and be real with each other. Let’s keep it real, to have earthly engagements on subjects of interest to us and hopefully to God.

This reflects one of the wonderful characteristics of the Vineyard: it creates gracious space for freedom and exploration. SVS was no different. Even though it was a “scholars” conference, it was full of diversity and humility. Most of the participants (myself included) weren’t professional academics; they were first-and-foremost practitioners of ministry, whose experiences in the field have ignited and informed their theological imaginations. I’m grateful to the Vineyard for creating a space where young leaders can be encouraged in their pursuits and nurtured in their theological thinking, and it was thrilling to see people pushing their own boundaries in an environment where ideas could be presented and challenged in a dialog of grace.

I would like to extend that dialog here at Pastoralia and invite you to join it. I think the SVS presenters will benefit from ongoing dialogue concerning their ideas, and I think the Vineyard at large could benefit from more voices joining that dialog, including voices from outside the movement.

Starting Monday, March 8th, I’m going to be profiling a different SVS presenter every day, Monday through Friday. There will be an abstract of their paper along with a little Q&A from me to open the dialog. Then, I’d like to invite you to join in by asking questions and providing thoughts. The presenters themselves will be available to interact with you in the comments.

One important request: I work hard to maintain an irenic and civil space here. Some of the presenters are intentionally advancing ideas and topics that are edgy and challenging because that is part of the learning process. Again, the presenters views do not represent official Vineyard beliefs and doctrine and none of them are proposing conclusive doctrinal perspectives. Hence, this is not the place for condemnation. Feel free to ask (on topic) questions;  feel free to challenge. But do so with grace and respect. Otherwise, your comments are subject to my moderation.

So, I hope you’ll join the dialogue starting next week. We’re looking forward to your contributions!

Schedule:

3/8David Kushner: “Echoes in Scripture”
3/9Steve Hamilton: “Signs & Wonders: Wisdom & and the Reign of God”
3/10Jason Clark: “Consumerism, Social Imagination, and Ecclesiology”
3/11Jason Coker: “The Begging Bowl: Toward a Kingdom Economy of Gifts, Power, and Justice”
3/12Elisa Berry: “Beauty and the Practice of the Kingdom of God”

3/15Orion Edgar: “Justice and the Kingdom of God: Atonement and New Creation”
3/16Ryan McAnally-Linz: “The Problem of the Contested Center”
3/17Jared Boyd: Naming Injustice: “Doing Theology That Does Something”
3/18Jonathan Rutz: “The Case For Creation Care as a Defining Paradigm For the Vineyard Movement”
3/19Naomi Forrester: “Science vs. Christianity: A Battle To Be Won or Lost?”

3/22Cathy Zellmer: “The Divine Perichoretic Mission of Love”
3/23Steve Burnhope: “Culture, Worldview, and the Cross: Penal Substitutionary Atonement and 21st Century Mission”
3/24Steven Schenk: “Power and Purpose in a Cross-Shaped Community: Examining the Contradictions Between Theology and Praxis”
3/26Jon Bialecki & Jamie Wilson: “Surprise, Return, and Futurity: Social Science Analysis of the Vineyard’s Temporal Imaginary of the Kingdom, and a Theological Rejoinder”

3/29 – Doug Erickson: “Advice to Vineyard Theologians (and Philosophers and Scholars…)”
3/30 - Matt Croasmun: “The Cross, Eucharist, and Imitation in the Gospel of John”

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More Demise-of-the-Vineyard Discussion at Deep Church

Jason Clark over at Deep Church has picked up the Demise-of-the-Vineyard convo with his recent post “Is There Any Move Left in the Vineyard Movement.” The discussion going on in the comments section is really very good. If you’re in and around the Vineyard, check it out. Jason is going to be blogging with some forward-looking thoughts on the subject in the days ahead, leap-frogging off Caleb Maskell’s recent presentation at the U.K. Vineyard gathering. I would highly recommend tuning in.

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Vineyard Launches Justice Response

My friend Steven Hamilton, who is part of the Anti-Slavery Task Force for the Vineyard Community of Churches in the U.S., announced today the creation of Justice Response, a resource website meant to empower people to join the fight against modern-day slavery. Good work. Check it out.

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Contours of Post-Christendom Vineyard Ministry

UPDATE: Frank Emmanuel, a Vineyard pastor in Ottawa, adds his thoughts on why we’re in for a hard road ahead. In my experience, Canucks tend to be ahead of the curve regarding this issue and it’s good to see a leader like Frank pitching in his perspective.

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Part 1: Did Tony Jones Kill the Vineyard?
Part 2: Vineyard Churches at the Crossroads

As I mentioned, Jenell and I huddled with a small group of Vineyard pastors last weekend to compare notes on the experience of leading non-traditional, missional churches. We were hardly able to scratch the surface on most issues, but here are some of the main topics that came up:

Common origins and experience
For the most part everyone’s stories had at least one common theme: Nobody lacked significant leadership experience and everyone had led in an attractional church (some successfully, some not), which led to a high level of frustration with the overall lack of discipleship fostered by the attractional approach. Yet, nobody in the room was willing to condemn attractional churches. Still, everyone was generally in agreement that, as a rule, it is predisposed to more shallow congregations on the whole.

A time of liminality
Everyone seemed to have a long list of anecdotal evidence that attractional/church-growth oriented congregations are rapidly failing – yet nobody feels there are established, sustainable alternatives. One person basically said, “I think this is going to be really hard for a long time to come.” Nobody disagreed.

High commitment to kingdom theology and the “radical middle”
Everyone spoke of Kingdom Theology and the Radical Middle as key underpinnings which kept them strongly rooted in the Vineyard, even though they felt the association overall was largely quiet concerning the emerging/missional movements and the ecclesiological shortcomings of attractional church.

A Sense of missional continuity prior to church-growth models
Most of the people in the room had been practicing many elements of what we now call “missional” church (i.e. use of third spaces, intentional communities, contemplative and liturgicstanley_compass_1al practices, etc.) long before the missional/emerging conversations were popularized, and, more importantly, long before the church-growth movement took hold – at least as far back as the early to mid-seventies. For me this was a light-bulb moment. There’s a great deal of talk on the attractional side that missional ministry is a fad, but, whatever you may call it, the “missionary to the West” mindset seems to be both a descendant of theological shifts beginning in the 1960′s, but also a by-product of the religious fervor stemming from the Jesus Movement.

Family ministry in the missional church
This was probably the most energized conversation of the weekend. There’s a great deal of frustration with the void caused by a rejection of centralized, professional, spectator approaches to children and youth ministry. Everyone believes these approaches are bankrupt, but hardly anyone could articulate a viable missional alternative and nobody was aware of a proven approach. It was pointed out that in the absence of a compelling alternative, most parents would understandably choose to have their kids satiated in an entertaining mega-church ministry. Future-facing churches must fill this void with a biblically insightful and culturally appropriate approach to the discipleship of whole families.

Partnering with culture, making culture
There was a pretty solid body of experience in the room when it came to engaging with culture. This is understandable. Within the emerging/missional stream this has been relatively strong and the people in this group reflected that: there were examples of partnering with local government (especially schools) to fill civic needs, participating with local AIDS organizations and justice issues, creating third spaces, offering secular counseling services, and creating internet communities and arts organizations. Everyone seemed comfortable and positive about pushing forward in this direction. This, of course, isn’t exclusive to so-called missional churches. More traditional churches are making rapid progress with innovative cultural engagement; that’s always been a strength of evangelicalism. The difference is that missional churches tend to lean more toward culture making (see Andy Crouch, Culture Making), whereas traditional evangelicalism leans more toward cultural critique or cultural emulation.

One church, many congregations
Unity was identified as a major theme, and a phrase that stuck with me was, “One church, many congregations.” Particularly in the bay area Mike McCoy is working with a large collection of diverse churches to bring about an unprecedented level of cooperation and unity in that region. Here in San Diego the catch-phrase I’ve heard from several people is “a citywide church.” As Christendom winds down and Christian communities are marginalized, these kinds of networks are likely to become vital and the Vineyard has a history of ecumenism, inherited from John Wimber.

Embracing grassroots organizational dynamics
There was some spirited conversation around the subject of embracing grassroots styles of organization as particularly compatible with the values of egalitarian leadership, the priesthood of the believer, and discipleship/multiplication. A.A. and Crossfit were bought up as examples.

The critical need for inter-church missional leader relationships
Everyone agreed that the single most important benefit of the weekend was developing relationships with others who are also experimenting on the fringe. It’s easy to feel marginalized when leading a church these ways. People both in your own church and in the Vineyard at large sometimes press for more traditional indicators of success.

Returning to the simplicity of Jesus
As we wound down on Saturday afternoon, the conversation shifted to the importance of refocusing on Christ. It was pointed out that movements historically tend to take off as “roots movements,” but over time become cluttered with the minutia of bureaucracy. If the Vineyard is the speak a fresh word and a demonstrate a fresh mission to a new generation it will have to be a word/work about Christ. He is the mission.

What we didn’t discuss
There were some conversations we didn’t have time for as much of this gathering was a “get to know you” session since few of us had any significant prior relationship. In my opinion, some of the pressing conversations we could/should have in the future include:

  • Gender and sexuality issues facing the church
  • Science and faith conflicts
  • Politics and peacemaking
  • Post-Charismatic Pneumatology
  • Post-Christendom theological education and leadership development
  • Navigating religious and theological pluralism in and out of the church
  • The role of arts and aesthetics
  • Ancient/future liturgical practices and consistency
  • Public evangelism in post-Christendom
  • Alternative economic practices

What are your thoughts?
What are your experiences with some of these topics? Do you see them differently? Are there critical issues we missed?

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People Present:
Certainly, there were others we could have invited. The decision was made to keep this a western gathering for cost and convenience, and to keep it very small in order to maintain a manageable conversation dynamic. A few were unable to attend such as Rich and Rose Swetman from Seattle, WA, Barry Diamond from Las Vegas, NV, and Randy Knutsen from Palm Desert, CA.

  • Bill Farris – Orange County, CA
  • Pete & Gail Mosgofian – Arcata, CA
  • Mike McCoy – Concord, CA
  • Jason & Jenell Coker – North County San Diego, CA
  • Eric Brown – Huntington Beach, CA
  • David Ruis – Hollywood, CA

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The Incarnation of Irony

ironyThis weekend Jenell and I met with a small group of Vineyard leaders who are experimenting with alternative approaches to ecclesiology and discussed how the Vineyard is quite well poised to meet the future challenges of ministry in a post-Christendom context. We met in an office that had once been the headquarters for Hank Hannegraff.

(For those who are interested, I’ll be posting notes and thoughts on the weekend discussion sometime tomorrow)

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